I’m occasionally asked what it’s like being a "woman in Linux". It’s not such an easy question for me to answer: what’s it like being a man doing the shopping? what’s it like being an elderly person drinking Scotch? You can say lots of things about the shopping and the Scotch, but not a lot about the maleness or agedness of the experience.
I suspect most of my "woman in Linux" (in the user sense, I’m not a developer) experiences are pretty subtle: some of my unease in combative situations is undoubtedly socialised, and some of that socialisation is probably related to being a woman. But which bits? How much? Who knows. Questions about being a woman in Linux always leave me floundering.
Raven, a "woman in security", has an answer though. For her, the "woman in X" question is all about being hit on. Relentlessly.
I don’t get hit on relentlessly. I get hit on about as much as most men seem to: hardly ever. If I was going to draw parallels with Raven’s experience, I would draw them not with experiences of fending off the horny masses, but of fending off the hordes of people who’ve never met a woman as tall as I am.
At 190cm, I’m willing to believe I’m one of, if not the, tallest woman most people have seen, or at least spoken to. (I have, in the course of my life, seen about four women who are taller than I am, and I keep an eye out, trust me.) And I hear about it a lot. I’ve heard all the jokes. I’ve heard all the compliments. And I’d like to think I’ve heard all the insults, but I have my doubts.
I’ve even well and truly had enough of the empathetic tongue-in-cheek responses ("I bet people say that all the time, hey?") but I try to take them in the spirit they were meant: more empathy is more better, as a general principle. I don’t want to discourage people from walking a mile in someone’s shoes, especially if they’re someone who stocks shoe stores and can order in size 11s for once.
But there are a number of parallels with being hit on, and one of them is that not everyone is a well-meaning bumbling fool with a propensity to innocently hit on women or call tall women "lanky bitches" if they run into them around a corner. (I have never heard the word lanky unattached to bitch. What quirk of humanity spawned that meme?) A number of people dealing out this stuff are out to hurt people. In fact, a solid majority of people commenting on my height are complete strangers commenting with the intention of hurting or embarrassing me.
One of the most common responses to "I get hit on all the time" rants, after "wow cool what the hell is wrong with you, whinger?" anyway, is "I can see how that’s a little annoying, but you know, they mean well. It’s a compliment. Whinger."
That’s crap. Sure, some of them mean well, in so far as wanting to have sex with someone is meaning well (I think it’s neither a virtue nor a vice in and of itself, but some of the people who want to gift Raven with the spawn of their geek genes prove that Stephen Pinker’s gentle "good for your genes isn’t the same thing as morally good" warnings could be hammered into his books with a chisel and they wouldn’t be clear enough). But the reason people who get hit on a lot find it creepy isn’t because they’re weirdly hostile to the compliment of someone’s flattering and harmless attraction, but because being hit on can be genuinely creepy. And is. A lot of the time, it is.
A lot of the sexual attention I get is decidedly negative: it’s more or less suggestions of sexual violence from passing strangers (usually driving past, but occasionally they’re brave enough to mutter threats as they pass me on foot). I didn’t count that in the "I don’t get hit on" count: if I counted people who yell "suck my cock, lanky bitch" out of cars, I get hit on any time I’m out walking after dark.
I won’t pretend to speak for all women here: some women do consider the vast majority (or possibly all) come-ons as a compliment. I try to take them as they come. But I’m sick of the ‘compliment’ defence in general, it’s as bad as the joke defence. Sexual attention is neutral: when you get it a lot like Raven does, it’s as annoying as being asked about your height all the time, and it also is sometimes used as a way to hurt people, making them scared, or embarrassed, or leaving them feeling like shit the rest of the day. Some other times, it’s a compliment, or mutual, or otherwise wonderful.
And you know, most people can tell the difference. The people on the receiving end know the difference, and the people dealing it out damn well know the difference too.
The height analogy glosses over the fact that being constantly reminded of your gender (not always by being hit on) destroys the "we’re all geeks/friends/partners/collegues here" feeling. I’m lucky to escape that, and if I was offered the trade of being constantly reminded that I’m female — and therefore different — in a group of men against being reminded that I’m really tall — to some people, unattractive — I’ll keep taking the latter.
But in either case I can’t stand the stupidity of the "it’s a compliment!" defense. Nothing’s automatically a compliment.
Some things are meant to be a compliment, or friendly, or whatever, and are taken badly because the recipient has had a bad day, doesn’t like the same things about themself that you like, or has heard your complimentary little joke fifteen times that morning, and fifty times yesterday, thanks. Some people are cranky (OK, I confess).
But some things are never meant to be a compliment in the first place. Come-ons regularly fall into one of those categories. If you want to compliment someone, see if you can figure out what makes them happy, rather than deciding on their behalf what should make them happy, doing it, and then giving them a lecture when they complain.
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Your questions are all inherently value-judgements, which beg for some kind of quantitative measure, which (even if there were some kind of validity to the questions) I think is impossible to quantify.
Interestingly, Taoist writings all reject your last question as absurd, and they were written at a time when this was a very pressing question (infant girls were still being killed by their parents with astonishing regularity, because they wanted to save their money for having a boy). They use a lot of absurd comparisons of utilities like “What use is a room without a door?” “How can one eat if one has nothing but gold?” but are often interpreted to be talking about gender relations.
However, I believe many of the same writings would still be considered sexist today, at least by feminists, because they pose another question instead. This question, the one that the label of “sexist” often precludes asking, which is certainly interesting to me:
How is it different to be a man, than it is to be a woman?
It implies other questions:
Are we really “designed” for different purposes?
If so, to what extent?
If we are, does it matter, morally, socially, ethically, intellectually?
Does it prevent children from reaching their full potential to treat boys and girls differently?
What if we treat them the same?
Posted by Glyph Lefkowitz on October 5, 2004 10:54 AM
Is “full potential” really not quantatative? It certainly depends on qualifying “full potential”: if you think the purpose men and women are ‘designed’ for is a particular X and Y, and you accept X and Y, then “full potential” is then a complete X and Y.
In any case, “how is it different?” gets answered a lot, but people tend to accept a subset of the differences, depending on whether they’re feminists and which feminist body of thought they like.
I prefer “How should it be different to be a man than to be a woman?” actually, and probably also the same question with ‘man’ and ‘woman’ transposed.
Posted by Mary on October 5, 2004 04:57 PM